The number is not tied to having staff. It is the employer identification number an entity uses to identify itself for US filing and withholding purposes, and a new US entity generally needs one before it can file anything at all. Payroll is only one of the uses. A bank will usually ask for it, and any withholding or information return the entity has to make is identified by it. If the entity exists and has US obligations, treat the number as a formation step rather than a hiring step.
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New US entities, foreign entities with US withholding or filing duties, and foreign-owned LLCs that need a number to file their information returns. The obligation is decided by facts rather than by tax owing, which is why a nil position does not remove it.
The rule on who files
New US entities, foreign entities with US withholding or filing duties, and foreign-owned LLCs that need a number to file their information returns.

When the rule breaks
A foreign applicant with no US social security number cannot use the fast online route, so the number that everything downstream depends on — bank account, payroll, withholding filings — becomes the first scheduling constraint of the whole expansion.
Where to go from here
The full treatment — who it binds, the deadline, the penalty and the fixed fee — is on SS-4 — EIN application. If a letter prompted this, bring the letter — it usually contains the answer to half the questions.
Reviewed for the 2025 and 2026 filing seasons by Udit Gupta, International Tax, Cross-Border Tax & Transfer Pricing Expert, Legal Quotient Consultants. Written as general guidance, not as a recommendation for your situation. Talk it through with us before acting on it.
What these engagements turn on
First US subsidiary sequenced around its identification number
A foreign group had incorporated a US subsidiary and fixed dates for a bank account, a payroll start and a first withholding filing before anyone had applied for a number. None of those steps could complete without it, and the fast application route was closed because no officer held a US social security number. We lodged the application through the slower channel and rebuilt the timetable around it. The engagement produced a filed application, a written sequence showing which step waited on the number, and a revised set of dates the group could give its bank.
Read how this one runsForeign-owned company brought into its information return obligations
A limited liability company owned from abroad had been trading for some time with no US number, on the view that a nil profit meant nothing to file. The information returns it owed are identified by a number it did not have. We listed the payments the company made and received, established which returns followed from them, and applied for the number so those filings could be made in the company's own name. The engagement produced an identification number, a schedule of the returns it supports, and a filing calendar for the years still open.
Read how this one runsResponsible person corrected before a bank account was opened
An application had been drafted naming a local adviser as the person responsible for the entity, because nobody at the foreign parent wanted to give personal details. The number would have been issued against a record that did not match the people who actually control the company, and the bank's own documents would have contradicted it. We identified an officer with authority over the company's funds, rebuilt the application around them, and matched the details to what the bank would see. The engagement produced a consistent application and account opening file.
Read how this one runsWithholding duties of a foreign payer established before applying
A foreign company was about to start making US-source payments and had assumed the payer's obligations sat with its bank. They did not. The company itself had withholding and reporting duties, and every one of those filings is identified by an employer identification number. We set out which payments triggered which duty, applied for the number, and recorded the reasoning so the same analysis does not have to be repeated each quarter. The engagement produced a lodged application and a written statement of the company's own position as a payer.
Read how this one runsNew entity in a restructuring given its own filing number
A group had reorganised its US operations and carried on filing under the number belonging to the company being replaced, on the basis that the business itself had not changed. The filer had. We separated what continued from what was new, applied for a number for the new entity, and treated the surviving company's changes as amendments to its existing record rather than a fresh application. The engagement produced the new entity's own number, a note of which filings belong to which company, and a correction plan for the returns already made under the wrong one.
Read how this one runsDuplicate applications untangled after two advisers applied separately
Two advisers had each applied for a number for the same new US company, and filings had begun to appear under both. The entity had one identity and two records, which meant its returns did not add up to a single history. We established which number the bank, the payroll registration and the first filings had used, settled on one record for the entity, and documented the other so it could be closed out rather than left live. The engagement produced a single identification number in use and a written history of how the duplication arose.
Read how this one runsTrips That Added Up to a Filing Obligation
Short visits are tracked against a treaty threshold that is measured over a moving window rather than a calendar year. Where the threshold is passed, the obligation reaches back over the whole period.
Read how this one runsGains on Indian Shares Held From Abroad
Holding period and instrument decide the character of the gain, and the deduction at source applies before any of that is considered. The return is where the position is corrected.
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More on Form SS-4
It can. The test is the obligation, not the address. A foreign entity that has US withholding or filing duties needs a number to make those filings, and so does a foreign-owned limited liability company that has information returns to make. A nil position does not remove the requirement, because the duty is decided by what the entity does and receives rather than by tax owing. Work out which US filings the entity is on the hook for first, because the answer to the number question follows from that list.
Yes, but not by the fast route. The quick application that issues a number in one sitting expects the person responsible for the entity to hold a US social security number, so a foreign applicant is left with the slower channel. That matters for planning rather than for eligibility. The number is what the bank account, the payroll registration and the withholding filings all depend on, so for a foreign-owned structure it becomes the first scheduling constraint of the whole expansion. Start it before the dates that depend on it are promised to anyone.
The application asks for an individual, not simply the corporate owner, and it wants someone with real authority over the entity's funds and assets. For a foreign-owned structure that is usually a director or officer of the parent rather than a local adviser. Two practical points follow. The person named needs identifying details the application will accept, and the name given should match what the bank later sees, because a mismatch between the number's own record and the account opening documents is a common source of delay.
A foreign-owned limited liability company that has information returns to make needs a number of its own in order to make them, even where the company itself pays no tax. The point people miss is that the filing duty sits on the company as a separate filer, so the owner's own tax number does not stand in for it. If you are unsure which returns apply, list the payments the company makes and receives and who reports them. The number follows the filing obligation rather than the profit.
The application creates a number for an entity, so the question is whether the thing doing the filing is the same entity. A new US company formed in a restructuring is a new filer and needs its own number. A change of name, address or responsible person for a company that continues is a change to an existing record rather than a fresh application. Get this right early. Filings made under the wrong number are hard to unpick afterwards, and the bank and payroll records will both have been set up against whichever number you used.
Sending your own funds to India is a transfer of capital, not income, so the remittance itself is not taxed. What is taxable is income the money then earns in India — interest, rent, capital gains — under the rules for the account type it sits in. Sending money out of India is the direction that needs certification before the bank will act. See NRE, NRO and FCNR accounts.
In this order. Fix your residence under each country's own rules, and if both claim you, apply the treaty tie-breaker. Identify where each type of income is sourced. Read the article that covers that income type, because it decides who taxes and at what maximum rate. Then claim the relief on the residence-country return, with proof of the foreign tax. Most of the tax people lose to double taxation is lost at the last step, not the first. See how double taxation is relieved.



